Cherries
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Category:
Harry Potter AU/AR › General
Rating:
Adult ++
Chapters:
43
Views:
80,722
Reviews:
221
Recommended:
3
Currently Reading:
1
Disclaimer:
I do not own the Harry Potter world created by JK Rowling, nor any of the characters from the books or movies. I do not make any money from the writing of this story and never will.
Ch15 Review Replies
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Story: Cherries
Author: bubblybabs
Email: bubbalilly@gmail.com
Total Word Count: 2,753
Chapter 15 Review Reply Edit Date: 01/12/2009
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Replies to chapter 15 reviews only. I knew chapter 15 was going to be very controversial and I thought some of the reviews warranted a lengthy reply. I am uploading both this review reply and chapter 16 at the same time so that if you don't want to read these replies you may skip on to the next chapter. I wish you'd read this though, there are some explanations in here that may be beneficial for you to know.
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First, read this sentence:
Hermione was tortured and beaten into submission before she was raped, sodomized, and forced to perform oral sex before she was returned to her dungeon home.
How did that sentence make you feel? Not very descriptive, is it? Doesn't really make you feel anything, does it? But, that's basically what chapter 15 says if you condense it down.
Now read below.
To Roxie (and others who agree with your review) –
I have achieved my goal with this chapter! It has upset you.
In chapter 15, Hermione has finally been introduced to a very violent set of people who think nothing of getting their jollies at the expense of others and I did my best to relay that fact. I know most of you have been reading fanfics for a while and have read stories that touch on the violence of what a DE will do to their captives, but I don't think many are written with the intent of making the reader upset with the thought of what the victim (usually Hermione, though sometimes Snape or Harry) really goes through. They describe a little bit and then stop. You get a taste of the horror but then continue on, reading the story in the safety of your home and probably don't dwell on what the true impact of what just happened to that character would have been like. Sure, I could have mentioned a little bit of the torment, alluded to more, and mentioned tons of orgasms – but I didn't want you to leave that chapter feeling good about it, I wanted you to mull it over in your mind and decide you didn't like what happened.
I want more of a psychological impact on the reader. I know some of you have been raped in the past, and you know what it's like to truly fear for your life. You know the shame afterwards when people look at you. We read or hear about someone being raped all the time but, unless you've had to deal with it, you have no idea of what the true impact of that act means. To some people, it's just having forced sex and the victim should be able to merrily go about with their lives without a second thought to the act. Most people have no idea how dirty you feel afterwards. And how afraid. Rape, is a four letter word. A 'dirty' word. It may be more fear and pain-filled for some victims, but it is no less wrong no matter what the setting – whether the rape occurred in the back of a car, in the woman's (or man's) bed, in the middle of a field, or in the stairwell; no matter how it occurs – with or without beatings, with or without weapons, with or without restraint, with or without physical injury; no matter who does the act – parent, friend, acquaintance, peer, spouse, stranger; and no matter how brief or long the event takes place – rape is wrong.
However, after saying that, I do know that rape is a fantasy of many, if not most, people. Both men and women. The rape of fantasy, for most healthy individuals, is not violent and is not harmful psychologically. I think that most of the rape fanfics out there are written with that fantasy in mind. So they may touch on some violence but they don't get carried away. They don't make the reader go, “Holy shit, I don't like this.” I'm working on a different goal with this story – yes, it's AU, yes, it's about an unreal world, but I still want some realism in it when it comes to emotions. Also, let's face it, Death Eaters are not nice people and they will enjoy themselves at the expense of others without a second thought as was demonstrated in chapter 15. And sex is a very common method of torture – S&M would be very frightening to someone who is unprepared for it and afraid of it (of course, they take the S&M thing way beyond what is the norm and have to use healing potions).
However, as I said in my Author's notes at the end of chapter 15, “ I do believe that any possible later torments won't have to be so detailed in order to get the point across.” In other words, I have made my statement. I wanted to get a rise out of the readers, there was a purpose for my doing this. You are now (hopefully) putting yourself in her place and rationalizing. That is good. I want the readers to really mull over how they would react to a situation like this (had she been taken to Bella right away, do you think she would have responded differently?) I may have to get detailed about some things in a future chapter or two but I don't anticipate dedicating a whole chapter like I did with 15. Truly, there was a purpose to chapter 15 just as there was a purpose to chapter 14, and there is a purpose to this story which you'll see as it unfolds.
As I mentioned, people have been reading this story and enjoying it because I've been trying hard to add some hot sex into it to make it more interesting (which I'll continue because I like that, too). It's also there because Sirius has some true feelings for Hermione and wants the girl to enjoy her time with him (as JordenK mentions in regards to Sirius making sure she experiences orgasms when she is with him – and later on he makes an effort to have conversations with her, trying to get to know her better). But, because of what Sirius has been doing, people have been able to excuse away her torments (even after chapter 8, another chapter that bothered people). So, I thought it was time to really make people squirm at the thought of what she's going through.
Some of you have mentioned already about how you are worried over her psychologically, and I was glad to read that. Some of you have mentioned that you are having mixed feelings over Sirius, and I was glad to read that. Some of you mentioned you were having mixed feelings over what is happening to Hermione because you know she is being raped and yet she is having all those orgasms, and I was glad to read that as well. Those confused feelings are exactly what I wanted!
Think about what Lucius Malfoy and his fellow DE's did to those poor Muggles at the camp in “GoF” - think of the terror those people went through as the DE's had their fun floating the Muggle family in the air. People go through this stuff (torture, rape, etc) for real, in real life, and struggle to deal with it without healing pastes and without having their memories modified – and that is part of what I'm showing with this story (Hermione may be healed physically, but her memory remains intact). Most stories gloss over this stuff so that the reader has to use their imagination about the situation while they continue reading the story, I don't think most of the readers in other stories put much effort into empathizing with the character because the story they are reading hits on some aspects of the hopelessness of the situation but they don't really drive it home. I want the reader to have true sympathy for this character and true anger over the situation at hand. She has just been raped and beaten by a couple of crazy people (and a house elf) and I want you to feel sorry for her and angry with them and angry with the whole scenario!
But, if you think about it, she has also been raped and beaten by Sirius, a man who professes love for her. Similar things occur between the two sets of people and yet the feeling that goes with them are very different, aren't they?
People should be disgusted over the way she is being treated overall (though some of the sex stuff isn't completely heinousness thanks to the subliminal teaching AND due to Sirius – imagine her with just Kreacher and the Lestranges and think about what her life would be like then). I just don't think the subliminal stuff would work with Bella, do you?
But, to make the story a little more interesting (and to make it so that Hermione's life isn't completely dreadful), I have been trying to add some hot sex into the chapters because that is part of the reason both Kreacher and Sirius wanted her in the first place. Both lusted after her though Kreacher had no emotional attachment to her like Sirius did. If Kreacher had not intervened, I believe Sirius and Hermione could have had a chance at having a cool secret love affair – he dies at the end of the fifth book so she would have gone on to fall in love with Ron after she dealt with the grief of losing her lover and the story would have continued as JKR wrote it (hmmm, maybe I'll do a story about that). However, Hermione is gone from the story and is locked up in a 'sex slave room' – what do you suppose happens to Harry and the others without her to suggest the DA, etc.?
I hope I make sense above and didn't ramble too much.
And, Roxie, I do appreciate the compliment you gave in your review, it means a lot to have you say that along with the criticism (which I really appreciate) – keep it coming and keep it honest!
JordenK –
Yes, yes, I'm “stretching” some stuff and I said so in the very beginning that I would be, especially with the orgasms (though I've been able to conveniently explain it away with elfin subliminal teaching *evil giggle*). I'm a little over the top but I hope not so over that I can't recover from it.
Chapter 14 was meant to be hot, but also meant to be informative as to what Kreacher is doing – to help the readers understand the situation better. I bet none of you realized just how much Kreacher was influencing Sirius until you read that chapter! As to chapter 16, I do not think you'll like it due to the emotional aspect contained within it as well as Hermione's declaration but, remember what she had just gone through earlier in the day and think about the psychological state she is in from the horrors she had experienced just a few hours earlier.
I'm glad you wondered about the other captives, wondering how they were being treated. Bella and Rodolphus are sadistic and have their jollies at the suffering of others. Bella does mention that she knows torments that Hermione couldn't even dream of.
*Think* about why Hermione is responding to things a certain way and then wonder if you would do the same. You will have seen some of the Death Eater stuff in chapter 15, and there will be more in future chapters, though not as detailed.
I'm sorry the chapter was “too much for you” - I gave the strong warnings in the beginning for a reason. But I'm glad you read the chapter anyway because you mentioned that you 'shivered', indicating you got into the meaning of the chapter. Hermione's 'fear is way too present' – good, good. I wanted you, as the reader, to feel her fear. Good.
My favorite pairing is HG/SS, which this story will become eventually – and Snape stays as Snape though, remember, he is a little twisted himself and you have to wonder if Kreacher will have any type of influence on him at all. Recall that the only reason he switched sides was because he wanted to protect Lily – had that not been a factor, he would have continued to be a DE without conscience. That's a scary Snape in a way, is it not?
Ginny comes soon, and it will be a pleasant enough experience, considering.
I appreciate your compliments and, don't forget, criticism is welcome, too.
John Olsen -
Thank-you for your compliment on the chapter. Yes, she is treated better than the other slaves (of whom she has no idea about). She isn't a 'disposable' sex slave at least, and is raped in bed at least, and is healed after her torments at least. But the whole ordeal is still something horrible to deal with.
soniab -
Thank-you, as well, for the compliment. I'm glad to hear you say you felt you were there with Hermione 'on this journey'. I had hoped it was real enough to make you feel that way.
What's with Kreacher? Ah, you'll find out! He is becoming conflicted now, as well. Which is good for Hermione.
Anon -
I'm glad you've been following the story! Yeah, the Kreacher thing squicked me as well. I mean, ick. To be honest, originally, this story didn't have Kreacher in it so heavily sexually but the story sort of evolved that way. I try not to imagine the movie version of Kreacher in my mind too much as I write this but I have to keep in mind his physical attributes (why else would he use his foot at times?). As to your Sirius hopes, time is running out for him (this is book 5, after all) so it may be a close call as to whether or not he finds out what is really going on and whether he can effectively punish Kreacher for it.
To all the readers -
I just wanted to point out a few things... Notice how the Lestranges call Hermione “Toy” and don't call her by her first name (Kreacher also has a tendency to do this) – this depersonalizes the victim and makes it easier to abuse them.
And, I added in a part where Rodolphus thinks about how he'd like to keep Hermione as a personal sex slave and not as a disposable one. He likes the fact that she is “so well-trained” and tries hard to please them in hopes they won't torment her, but also because the other DE's “would give their left nut” to be him due to having her. She's an important prisoner to have. I also added that in as an added danger to Hermione because he could decide to do that – if he did, what could Kreacher do? Nothing, Hermione would be lost.
Also, how twisted is it to force a young girl to have sex with your wife? And to want that in the first place?
Notice how both the Lestranges were completely unfazed by her fear, pain, and suffering? They got off on it – and yes, there are people out there who are like that. But, thankfully, it finally got to Kreacher who usually gets into that stuff – unfortunately, he was more worried about protecting his 'property' than protecting Hermione.
Hermione also becomes worried over feeling as if she is cheating on Sirius. Think about that for a moment. She's been kidnapped by a man, forced to do things she doesn't like, and worries over cheating on him.
Truly, there is a lot more in this chapter than the 'simple' use of torture.
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Story: Cherries
Author: bubblybabs
Email: bubbalilly@gmail.com
Total Word Count: 2,753
Chapter 15 Review Reply Edit Date: 01/12/2009
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Replies to chapter 15 reviews only. I knew chapter 15 was going to be very controversial and I thought some of the reviews warranted a lengthy reply. I am uploading both this review reply and chapter 16 at the same time so that if you don't want to read these replies you may skip on to the next chapter. I wish you'd read this though, there are some explanations in here that may be beneficial for you to know.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
First, read this sentence:
Hermione was tortured and beaten into submission before she was raped, sodomized, and forced to perform oral sex before she was returned to her dungeon home.
How did that sentence make you feel? Not very descriptive, is it? Doesn't really make you feel anything, does it? But, that's basically what chapter 15 says if you condense it down.
Now read below.
To Roxie (and others who agree with your review) –
I have achieved my goal with this chapter! It has upset you.
In chapter 15, Hermione has finally been introduced to a very violent set of people who think nothing of getting their jollies at the expense of others and I did my best to relay that fact. I know most of you have been reading fanfics for a while and have read stories that touch on the violence of what a DE will do to their captives, but I don't think many are written with the intent of making the reader upset with the thought of what the victim (usually Hermione, though sometimes Snape or Harry) really goes through. They describe a little bit and then stop. You get a taste of the horror but then continue on, reading the story in the safety of your home and probably don't dwell on what the true impact of what just happened to that character would have been like. Sure, I could have mentioned a little bit of the torment, alluded to more, and mentioned tons of orgasms – but I didn't want you to leave that chapter feeling good about it, I wanted you to mull it over in your mind and decide you didn't like what happened.
I want more of a psychological impact on the reader. I know some of you have been raped in the past, and you know what it's like to truly fear for your life. You know the shame afterwards when people look at you. We read or hear about someone being raped all the time but, unless you've had to deal with it, you have no idea of what the true impact of that act means. To some people, it's just having forced sex and the victim should be able to merrily go about with their lives without a second thought to the act. Most people have no idea how dirty you feel afterwards. And how afraid. Rape, is a four letter word. A 'dirty' word. It may be more fear and pain-filled for some victims, but it is no less wrong no matter what the setting – whether the rape occurred in the back of a car, in the woman's (or man's) bed, in the middle of a field, or in the stairwell; no matter how it occurs – with or without beatings, with or without weapons, with or without restraint, with or without physical injury; no matter who does the act – parent, friend, acquaintance, peer, spouse, stranger; and no matter how brief or long the event takes place – rape is wrong.
However, after saying that, I do know that rape is a fantasy of many, if not most, people. Both men and women. The rape of fantasy, for most healthy individuals, is not violent and is not harmful psychologically. I think that most of the rape fanfics out there are written with that fantasy in mind. So they may touch on some violence but they don't get carried away. They don't make the reader go, “Holy shit, I don't like this.” I'm working on a different goal with this story – yes, it's AU, yes, it's about an unreal world, but I still want some realism in it when it comes to emotions. Also, let's face it, Death Eaters are not nice people and they will enjoy themselves at the expense of others without a second thought as was demonstrated in chapter 15. And sex is a very common method of torture – S&M would be very frightening to someone who is unprepared for it and afraid of it (of course, they take the S&M thing way beyond what is the norm and have to use healing potions).
However, as I said in my Author's notes at the end of chapter 15, “ I do believe that any possible later torments won't have to be so detailed in order to get the point across.” In other words, I have made my statement. I wanted to get a rise out of the readers, there was a purpose for my doing this. You are now (hopefully) putting yourself in her place and rationalizing. That is good. I want the readers to really mull over how they would react to a situation like this (had she been taken to Bella right away, do you think she would have responded differently?) I may have to get detailed about some things in a future chapter or two but I don't anticipate dedicating a whole chapter like I did with 15. Truly, there was a purpose to chapter 15 just as there was a purpose to chapter 14, and there is a purpose to this story which you'll see as it unfolds.
As I mentioned, people have been reading this story and enjoying it because I've been trying hard to add some hot sex into it to make it more interesting (which I'll continue because I like that, too). It's also there because Sirius has some true feelings for Hermione and wants the girl to enjoy her time with him (as JordenK mentions in regards to Sirius making sure she experiences orgasms when she is with him – and later on he makes an effort to have conversations with her, trying to get to know her better). But, because of what Sirius has been doing, people have been able to excuse away her torments (even after chapter 8, another chapter that bothered people). So, I thought it was time to really make people squirm at the thought of what she's going through.
Some of you have mentioned already about how you are worried over her psychologically, and I was glad to read that. Some of you have mentioned that you are having mixed feelings over Sirius, and I was glad to read that. Some of you mentioned you were having mixed feelings over what is happening to Hermione because you know she is being raped and yet she is having all those orgasms, and I was glad to read that as well. Those confused feelings are exactly what I wanted!
Think about what Lucius Malfoy and his fellow DE's did to those poor Muggles at the camp in “GoF” - think of the terror those people went through as the DE's had their fun floating the Muggle family in the air. People go through this stuff (torture, rape, etc) for real, in real life, and struggle to deal with it without healing pastes and without having their memories modified – and that is part of what I'm showing with this story (Hermione may be healed physically, but her memory remains intact). Most stories gloss over this stuff so that the reader has to use their imagination about the situation while they continue reading the story, I don't think most of the readers in other stories put much effort into empathizing with the character because the story they are reading hits on some aspects of the hopelessness of the situation but they don't really drive it home. I want the reader to have true sympathy for this character and true anger over the situation at hand. She has just been raped and beaten by a couple of crazy people (and a house elf) and I want you to feel sorry for her and angry with them and angry with the whole scenario!
But, if you think about it, she has also been raped and beaten by Sirius, a man who professes love for her. Similar things occur between the two sets of people and yet the feeling that goes with them are very different, aren't they?
People should be disgusted over the way she is being treated overall (though some of the sex stuff isn't completely heinousness thanks to the subliminal teaching AND due to Sirius – imagine her with just Kreacher and the Lestranges and think about what her life would be like then). I just don't think the subliminal stuff would work with Bella, do you?
But, to make the story a little more interesting (and to make it so that Hermione's life isn't completely dreadful), I have been trying to add some hot sex into the chapters because that is part of the reason both Kreacher and Sirius wanted her in the first place. Both lusted after her though Kreacher had no emotional attachment to her like Sirius did. If Kreacher had not intervened, I believe Sirius and Hermione could have had a chance at having a cool secret love affair – he dies at the end of the fifth book so she would have gone on to fall in love with Ron after she dealt with the grief of losing her lover and the story would have continued as JKR wrote it (hmmm, maybe I'll do a story about that). However, Hermione is gone from the story and is locked up in a 'sex slave room' – what do you suppose happens to Harry and the others without her to suggest the DA, etc.?
I hope I make sense above and didn't ramble too much.
And, Roxie, I do appreciate the compliment you gave in your review, it means a lot to have you say that along with the criticism (which I really appreciate) – keep it coming and keep it honest!
JordenK –
Yes, yes, I'm “stretching” some stuff and I said so in the very beginning that I would be, especially with the orgasms (though I've been able to conveniently explain it away with elfin subliminal teaching *evil giggle*). I'm a little over the top but I hope not so over that I can't recover from it.
Chapter 14 was meant to be hot, but also meant to be informative as to what Kreacher is doing – to help the readers understand the situation better. I bet none of you realized just how much Kreacher was influencing Sirius until you read that chapter! As to chapter 16, I do not think you'll like it due to the emotional aspect contained within it as well as Hermione's declaration but, remember what she had just gone through earlier in the day and think about the psychological state she is in from the horrors she had experienced just a few hours earlier.
I'm glad you wondered about the other captives, wondering how they were being treated. Bella and Rodolphus are sadistic and have their jollies at the suffering of others. Bella does mention that she knows torments that Hermione couldn't even dream of.
*Think* about why Hermione is responding to things a certain way and then wonder if you would do the same. You will have seen some of the Death Eater stuff in chapter 15, and there will be more in future chapters, though not as detailed.
I'm sorry the chapter was “too much for you” - I gave the strong warnings in the beginning for a reason. But I'm glad you read the chapter anyway because you mentioned that you 'shivered', indicating you got into the meaning of the chapter. Hermione's 'fear is way too present' – good, good. I wanted you, as the reader, to feel her fear. Good.
My favorite pairing is HG/SS, which this story will become eventually – and Snape stays as Snape though, remember, he is a little twisted himself and you have to wonder if Kreacher will have any type of influence on him at all. Recall that the only reason he switched sides was because he wanted to protect Lily – had that not been a factor, he would have continued to be a DE without conscience. That's a scary Snape in a way, is it not?
Ginny comes soon, and it will be a pleasant enough experience, considering.
I appreciate your compliments and, don't forget, criticism is welcome, too.
John Olsen -
Thank-you for your compliment on the chapter. Yes, she is treated better than the other slaves (of whom she has no idea about). She isn't a 'disposable' sex slave at least, and is raped in bed at least, and is healed after her torments at least. But the whole ordeal is still something horrible to deal with.
soniab -
Thank-you, as well, for the compliment. I'm glad to hear you say you felt you were there with Hermione 'on this journey'. I had hoped it was real enough to make you feel that way.
What's with Kreacher? Ah, you'll find out! He is becoming conflicted now, as well. Which is good for Hermione.
Anon -
I'm glad you've been following the story! Yeah, the Kreacher thing squicked me as well. I mean, ick. To be honest, originally, this story didn't have Kreacher in it so heavily sexually but the story sort of evolved that way. I try not to imagine the movie version of Kreacher in my mind too much as I write this but I have to keep in mind his physical attributes (why else would he use his foot at times?). As to your Sirius hopes, time is running out for him (this is book 5, after all) so it may be a close call as to whether or not he finds out what is really going on and whether he can effectively punish Kreacher for it.
To all the readers -
I just wanted to point out a few things... Notice how the Lestranges call Hermione “Toy” and don't call her by her first name (Kreacher also has a tendency to do this) – this depersonalizes the victim and makes it easier to abuse them.
And, I added in a part where Rodolphus thinks about how he'd like to keep Hermione as a personal sex slave and not as a disposable one. He likes the fact that she is “so well-trained” and tries hard to please them in hopes they won't torment her, but also because the other DE's “would give their left nut” to be him due to having her. She's an important prisoner to have. I also added that in as an added danger to Hermione because he could decide to do that – if he did, what could Kreacher do? Nothing, Hermione would be lost.
Also, how twisted is it to force a young girl to have sex with your wife? And to want that in the first place?
Notice how both the Lestranges were completely unfazed by her fear, pain, and suffering? They got off on it – and yes, there are people out there who are like that. But, thankfully, it finally got to Kreacher who usually gets into that stuff – unfortunately, he was more worried about protecting his 'property' than protecting Hermione.
Hermione also becomes worried over feeling as if she is cheating on Sirius. Think about that for a moment. She's been kidnapped by a man, forced to do things she doesn't like, and worries over cheating on him.
Truly, there is a lot more in this chapter than the 'simple' use of torture.
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