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October 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM
good grief theres a lot of vitriol surrounding this fic, I have to say I found the reviews far better reading than the story itself!
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October 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM
oh dear god.
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October 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM
I\'m revewing this because I review everything I read, out of courtesey. I didn\'t like this all that much, to be honest. The plot was rather on the weak side, and I found the inter-thought explanations of behavior insubstantial. I can\'t remember now if you actually ushe the term \'nymphomania\' but the behavior described herein is essentially what most people consider nymphomania to be. It isn\'t. I understand Harry is emotionally distraught, but the events causing this would not (from an actual scientific standpoint) cause him to become addicted to sex, or to skew his mindset so radically. I don\'t know if you care much about believability/factual basis in your story, but if you do that\'s something to keep in mind. I can\'t make an comments on OOC behavior, mainly because you *seem* to be using a psychological angle, and mental trauma can unbalance a person. But not this sort of mental trauma. Your best bet is to do a bit of editing, and add in a bit more tragedy to get Harry to this point.
But that\'s just my opinion.
But that\'s just my opinion.
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October 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM
wow. u really must have some sort of mental problems if you have to resort to threats of physical violence against another person to feel better about yourself. thats just really, really sad.
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October 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Hello, Dana,
>Someone complained about this fic in a livejournal. O.k., fine, if flaming was not enough and someone felt the need to post criticism somewhere else,then by all
>means, do it. You said criticism helps to make better wrrs. rs. I haven\'t seen one constructive critic out of you and your kind. By saying this story contains rape you
>are lying, of course, and by insulting the authod thd the reviewers who thought he did a good job you are just being rude. How does that help anyone?
I was constructive. I said that the prose was appalling, the storyline was terrifyingly amoral, and I wondered about the health and wellbeing of the author. Had I given precise examples, I would have been shot down, much as Arianrhod was. I sincerely doubt any of you would take criticism of this fic well at all, no matter how it was phrased. Your conduct is proof of that. Perhaps I was a little too forceful in my first comment, but I have been reasonably polite and entirely honest since. You haven\'t managed to tone down on the insults OR the threats. You expect me to be polite to *you*, when you persist in calling me a moron favinaving an opinion that differs from yours?
I\'m not lying about the rape. Isn\'t there a rape warning in the header now? if Vertex thinks it\'s rape, and Vertex is writing it, then it\'s rape.
I didn\'t start this insult fest, I just defended myself. it\'s true, I DON\'T understand how anyone can like this drivel. I can chalk it up to differing tastes, and I will, because I can be tolerant if I wish to. Can you?
>I have seen people complain about the immorality of this fic. Stop reading adult fiction, simple as that, just don\'t bother those who do and enjoy it.
Why would I stop reading adult fiction when I write it? You assume that our dislike of this fic stems from its rating - that is untrue. It stems from the complete lack of regard Vertex gives the female characters. Fanfiction can tell a lot about an author, and if Vertex is indeed male, this worries me further.
>This entire situation didn\'t evolve because Vertex and his supporters can\'t take a flame or a negative criticism: it has evolved because people like you have insulted
>us AND Vertex for no reason. I\'m not Christ, I don\'t turn the other cheek, and I am entitled to defend myself from people insulting me just because I like a story.
Actually, it did. As far as I remember, Arianrhod posted her dislike of the fic (and I don\'t believe she was even the first). From there on, she was flamed, insulted and had her fanfiction spammed with flames. And you\'re surprised there was a response? We\'re not Christ either. I have insulted you because you not only insulted me for making public my (evidently unpopular) opinion, you told me I should \"shoot [my]self in the head\". I don\'t react well to childish threats. Thus, a flamewar is born. You cannot lay the blame entirely on us. It is indeed possible to react maturely to an unpopular opinion.
And as far as I can tell, Arianrhod is no longer posting on this board. So why do you keep bringing up what she said?
>Ar thr the livejournal or lifejournal or whatever the fuck you call it: it\'s all fine and dandy you insulting people there, I don\'t give a fuck. I would, however, like to
>know who gave you the right to judge others. You lot are a group that cares enough about fandom that you have the right to flame fics, insult people, authors and
>reviewers alike, and judge them?!? What next, mein fuhrer? Censorship? Based on what YOU belive is worth reading?!?
I\'ve read the post over at Livejournal. The insults to the author were minimal - the beef is entirely with the fic. In fact, Arianrhod stated in that post that she believed Vertex is capable of writing good work if they were open to suggestions on improvement. As far as I can tell, no LJ users have even bothered to check out the post in question. Which means that no one really cares that much, and the post is just an excuse to flame.
As to the insults to the reviewers - well, to put it fly, ly, you asked for it. You don\'t go around calling people names and suggesting they kill themselves without some fallout. You can\'t possibly have imagined that we\'d wander off into the sunset after that.
Censorship, you say? That\'s funny, I thought your attempts to make the dissenters go away by flaming them could also be construed as censorship. You don\'t like my opinion, do you? You want me to shut up, don\'t you? Sorry, but you\'re attempting censorship yolf. lf. I never said this fic should be taken down, that people should stop reading it, or that the author should go hang themselves. I simply said what I thought - that it\'s a steaming heap of crap. As I live in a free country, and the internet is also free, per perfectly entitled to my opinion.
>Who the fuck do you think you are?
A reader with an opinion. I don\'t much care how unpopular it is - I\'m entitled to it.
>As I said before, shoot yourself. It would do me a lot of good, it really would.
Perhaps so, but I\'m not here to please you, am I?
Oreo - Hello.
>Just a side note to B: never identify or show yourself in front of me in real life, or I swear that in the name of Aku Soku Zan, I will gatotsu your ass.
Well, yes, I\'m terrified. Anonymous threats from words on a screen really do make me tremble in my boots. What are you hoping to achieve - that I\'ll run off in fear because you say yol hul hurt me? Not likely. Nice try, though.
>Someone complained about this fic in a livejournal. O.k., fine, if flaming was not enough and someone felt the need to post criticism somewhere else,then by all
>means, do it. You said criticism helps to make better wrrs. rs. I haven\'t seen one constructive critic out of you and your kind. By saying this story contains rape you
>are lying, of course, and by insulting the authod thd the reviewers who thought he did a good job you are just being rude. How does that help anyone?
I was constructive. I said that the prose was appalling, the storyline was terrifyingly amoral, and I wondered about the health and wellbeing of the author. Had I given precise examples, I would have been shot down, much as Arianrhod was. I sincerely doubt any of you would take criticism of this fic well at all, no matter how it was phrased. Your conduct is proof of that. Perhaps I was a little too forceful in my first comment, but I have been reasonably polite and entirely honest since. You haven\'t managed to tone down on the insults OR the threats. You expect me to be polite to *you*, when you persist in calling me a moron favinaving an opinion that differs from yours?
I\'m not lying about the rape. Isn\'t there a rape warning in the header now? if Vertex thinks it\'s rape, and Vertex is writing it, then it\'s rape.
I didn\'t start this insult fest, I just defended myself. it\'s true, I DON\'T understand how anyone can like this drivel. I can chalk it up to differing tastes, and I will, because I can be tolerant if I wish to. Can you?
>I have seen people complain about the immorality of this fic. Stop reading adult fiction, simple as that, just don\'t bother those who do and enjoy it.
Why would I stop reading adult fiction when I write it? You assume that our dislike of this fic stems from its rating - that is untrue. It stems from the complete lack of regard Vertex gives the female characters. Fanfiction can tell a lot about an author, and if Vertex is indeed male, this worries me further.
>This entire situation didn\'t evolve because Vertex and his supporters can\'t take a flame or a negative criticism: it has evolved because people like you have insulted
>us AND Vertex for no reason. I\'m not Christ, I don\'t turn the other cheek, and I am entitled to defend myself from people insulting me just because I like a story.
Actually, it did. As far as I remember, Arianrhod posted her dislike of the fic (and I don\'t believe she was even the first). From there on, she was flamed, insulted and had her fanfiction spammed with flames. And you\'re surprised there was a response? We\'re not Christ either. I have insulted you because you not only insulted me for making public my (evidently unpopular) opinion, you told me I should \"shoot [my]self in the head\". I don\'t react well to childish threats. Thus, a flamewar is born. You cannot lay the blame entirely on us. It is indeed possible to react maturely to an unpopular opinion.
And as far as I can tell, Arianrhod is no longer posting on this board. So why do you keep bringing up what she said?
>Ar thr the livejournal or lifejournal or whatever the fuck you call it: it\'s all fine and dandy you insulting people there, I don\'t give a fuck. I would, however, like to
>know who gave you the right to judge others. You lot are a group that cares enough about fandom that you have the right to flame fics, insult people, authors and
>reviewers alike, and judge them?!? What next, mein fuhrer? Censorship? Based on what YOU belive is worth reading?!?
I\'ve read the post over at Livejournal. The insults to the author were minimal - the beef is entirely with the fic. In fact, Arianrhod stated in that post that she believed Vertex is capable of writing good work if they were open to suggestions on improvement. As far as I can tell, no LJ users have even bothered to check out the post in question. Which means that no one really cares that much, and the post is just an excuse to flame.
As to the insults to the reviewers - well, to put it fly, ly, you asked for it. You don\'t go around calling people names and suggesting they kill themselves without some fallout. You can\'t possibly have imagined that we\'d wander off into the sunset after that.
Censorship, you say? That\'s funny, I thought your attempts to make the dissenters go away by flaming them could also be construed as censorship. You don\'t like my opinion, do you? You want me to shut up, don\'t you? Sorry, but you\'re attempting censorship yolf. lf. I never said this fic should be taken down, that people should stop reading it, or that the author should go hang themselves. I simply said what I thought - that it\'s a steaming heap of crap. As I live in a free country, and the internet is also free, per perfectly entitled to my opinion.
>Who the fuck do you think you are?
A reader with an opinion. I don\'t much care how unpopular it is - I\'m entitled to it.
>As I said before, shoot yourself. It would do me a lot of good, it really would.
Perhaps so, but I\'m not here to please you, am I?
Oreo - Hello.
>Just a side note to B: never identify or show yourself in front of me in real life, or I swear that in the name of Aku Soku Zan, I will gatotsu your ass.
Well, yes, I\'m terrified. Anonymous threats from words on a screen really do make me tremble in my boots. What are you hoping to achieve - that I\'ll run off in fear because you say yol hul hurt me? Not likely. Nice try, though.
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October 28, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Make Harry do Draco\'s mother...
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October 28, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Hello, B! (you fucking unimaginative asshole) :)
No, I am not Vertex (who I believe is male,while I am obviously female, as you can see by my name), nor do I take criticism to him personally. I do, however take what I see as an injustice to the author personal. Someone complained about this fic in a livejournal. O.k., fine, if flaming was not enough and someone felt the need to post criticism somewhere else,then by all means, do it. You said criticism helps to make better writters. I haven\'t seen one constructive critic out of you and your kind. By saying this story contains rape you are lying, of course, and by insul the the author and the reviewers who thought he did a good job you are just being rude. How does that help anyone?
I have seen people complain about the immorality of this fic. Stop reading adult fiction, simple as that, just don\'t bother those who do and enjoy it.
This entire situation didn\'t evolve becauerteertex and his supporters can\'t take a flame or a negative criticism: it has evolved because people like you have insulted us AND Vertex for no reason. I\'m not Christ, I don\'t turn the other cheek, and I am entitled to defend myself from people insulting me just because I like a story.
As for the livejournal or lifejournal or whatever the fuck you call it: it\'s all fine and dandy you insulting people there, I don\'t give a fuck. I would, however, like to know who gave you the right to judge others. You lot are a group that cares enough about fandom that you have the right to flame fics, insult people, authors and reviewers alike, and judge them?!? What next, mein fuhrer? Censorship? Based on what YOU belive is worth reading?!?
Who the fuck do you think you are?
As I said before, shoot yourself. It would do me a lot of good, it really would.
No, I am not Vertex (who I believe is male,while I am obviously female, as you can see by my name), nor do I take criticism to him personally. I do, however take what I see as an injustice to the author personal. Someone complained about this fic in a livejournal. O.k., fine, if flaming was not enough and someone felt the need to post criticism somewhere else,then by all means, do it. You said criticism helps to make better writters. I haven\'t seen one constructive critic out of you and your kind. By saying this story contains rape you are lying, of course, and by insul the the author and the reviewers who thought he did a good job you are just being rude. How does that help anyone?
I have seen people complain about the immorality of this fic. Stop reading adult fiction, simple as that, just don\'t bother those who do and enjoy it.
This entire situation didn\'t evolve becauerteertex and his supporters can\'t take a flame or a negative criticism: it has evolved because people like you have insulted us AND Vertex for no reason. I\'m not Christ, I don\'t turn the other cheek, and I am entitled to defend myself from people insulting me just because I like a story.
As for the livejournal or lifejournal or whatever the fuck you call it: it\'s all fine and dandy you insulting people there, I don\'t give a fuck. I would, however, like to know who gave you the right to judge others. You lot are a group that cares enough about fandom that you have the right to flame fics, insult people, authors and reviewers alike, and judge them?!? What next, mein fuhrer? Censorship? Based on what YOU belive is worth reading?!?
Who the fuck do you think you are?
As I said before, shoot yourself. It would do me a lot of good, it really would.
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October 28, 2003 at 12:00 AM
This IS getting out of hand people. *sigh*
Flamers and members of the Livejournal who criticize without reading: please leave.
Supporters of Vertex, especially those spitting poison at the flamers: if they don\'t leave, ignore them kay? Eventually they will tire and leave us alone. For the sake and well-being of your keyboards, ignore them.
I am generally non-violent, however, I won\'t apologise to anon. I HATE snitches.
Flamers and members of the Livejournal who criticize without reading: please leave.
Supporters of Vertex, especially those spitting poison at the flamers: if they don\'t leave, ignore them kay? Eventually they will tire and leave us alone. For the sake and well-being of your keyboards, ignore them.
I am generally non-violent, however, I won\'t apologise to anon. I HATE snitches.
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October 28, 2003 at 12:00 AM
There is a lot of
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October 28, 2003 at 12:00 AM
I don\'t think this is a rape. I find this story pretty interesting. Please update soon Vortex.